Indian government sites are serving revoked eMudhra certificates (captnemo.in)

adityaathalye 1 day ago

• zombocomvibes 1 day ago

  I read that eMudhra is well connected with the BJP? Then, in my experience, no consequences will happen.

  • adityaathalye 1 day ago

    Mhmm, I hear you. I ended up wall-of-text speculating about stupidity v/s politically-motivate malice, in a previous topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50166579#50170890

    > Well, I honestly believe it is rank incompetence. Speaking as someone who's monthly electronic GST filings, commercial authentications, and digital payments, i.e. continued livelihood, is beholden to cert and PKI authorities like eMudhra having their shit together...

    > [SNIP ... Wall of Speculation ... ]

    > In conclusion:

    > I'm confident all federal administrations of India, current and future, will hold the lawful means to act wilfully, crudely, with impunity, at scale against India's own citizenry.

    > I'm not sure whether they currently have enough incentive to have used the eMudhra cudgel, to disrupt the protestors. Sure they could MITM the protestor websites, but it's so much easier to block them and takedown their socials. And for more specific work, they already have field deployments of Pegasus and other MITM / spyware technologies.

    (edit: simpler link to x-post)

  • pseudohadamard 7 hours ago

    Yeah, eMudhra has been yet another case of India's crony capitalism at work. They'll be fine once the dust settles.

cluckindan 1 day ago

• drutaTushar 1 day ago

  there is some truth to it but work culture is not "indian" its mostly product of socialist policies. True Indian nature is actually quite argumentative and asking lot of questions. same person would ask many questions when seeping tea with his colleagues but at work nature is changed. its mostly derived from survival rather than normal organic response and also inability to-do something about thousands of problem he has observed daily

  • potamic 1 day ago

    I don't think so, I think the roots are deeply cultural. India is a collectivist society where family hierarchy, community loyalty feature strongly, with sayings like "Do not question elders" widely expressed. A lot of this reflects onto work culture as well, among other places, and you see similar things play out across other collectivist cultures as well. So, while arguing with colleagues who are your peers is fine, you will find people will shut down to a large extent when there's hierarchy involved.

    To see first hand how this "Do not question authority" plays out, see this every day meeting [1] at one of the largest banks in India. Disclaimer, this video is not AI generated. Sadly it is not even satire.

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SL8-kW7-5A

  • lll-o-lll 1 day ago

    Really interesting response. Is there really just “one” Indian work culture? India is this massive diverse place; surely there’s going to be very different work culture from workplace to workplace?

  • adityaathalye 1 day ago

    Strawman argument. Neither socialist nor nationalist nor communist policies at any level---centre or state---have formed "the work culture".

    Organisational (mis)behaviour---corporate and government---is simply a product of our widespread and deeply rooted feudal-bureaucratic mindset. One that both fosters and then feeds on the divisive complexities crafted from exploiting age-status, patriarchal conventions, and class and caste and religious and ethnic identities.

    We are a sublimely chaotic heterogenous people. The best of us have---through the ages---been finding ways to cooperate and co-exist without giving up what they cherish most about their ways of life. The worst of us manage to always fault someone else for all their troubles, and then further incite others to do the same.

  • thewhitetulip 22 hours ago

    "You don't question the elders" has nothing to do with socialism

• leonidasrup 1 day ago

  > Nobody asks questions, everyone claims to understand everything, the reality is they have no clue.

  India is so big that, you can not claim this for everyone in India. Counterexamples:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subrahmanyan_Chandrasekhar

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._V._Raman

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homi_J._Bhabha

  • ksh09 1 day ago

    They did great for their time.

    Glory of the past doesn't exempt the incompetence of the culture present now.

  • antonvs 23 hours ago

    The parent comment said that culture was “widespread”. Your links don’t affect that claim.

  • tosstoyevsky 1 day ago

    Good point, your 4 Wikipedia links totally disprove the trend.

    • alex_smart 1 day ago

      If a trend can be established by one data point, surely it can be countered by four?

      • soon_to_be_sb 1 day ago

        >one data point..

        As an Indian, I really wish if this were true...

mirages 14 hours ago

• sprinter123 11 hours ago

  not outdated, many of these are still serving revoked certificates and I can't load any of them on firefox or a patched curl

  • pseudohadamard 7 hours ago

    That's a quirk of Firefox. Many (most?) browsers don't check revocations so you can keep using the revoked certs indefinitely. There was a great talk last month at AUSNOG on revocation where he details how much effort he put into getting a revoked cert recognized as no longer valid, without success, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsH63Pr1jrw

baobabKoodaa 1 day ago

• s-daveb 14 hours ago

  ... India is surrounded by land too.

soon_to_be_sb 1 day ago